Thursday, March 25, 2010

The Nicene Creed

Sometimes it's just a really good thing to look back on our Christian history.

Nicene Creed (325 A.D.)

This creed was first formulated at the First Ecumenical Council, held at Nicea, located in what is now Turkey, in 325, as a response to the Arian heresy, which denied the divinity of Christ. It was revised at the Second Ecumenical Council, held at Constantinople in 381 as a response to the Macedonian or Pneumatomachian heresy, which denied the divinity of the Holy Spirit.


We believe in one God, the Father, the Almighty, maker of heaven and earth, of all that is, seen and unseen.

We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father, God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, of one Being with the Father. Through him all things were made. For us and for our salvation he came down from heaven: by the power of the Holy Spirit he became incarnate from the Virgin Mary, and was made man. For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate; he suffered death and was buried. On the third day he rose again in accordance with the Scriptures; he ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead, and his kingdom will have no end.

We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, who proceeds from the Father. With the Father and the Son he is worshiped and glorified. He has spoken through the Prophets. We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church. We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins. We look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen.

Note: The word "catholic" with a lower case 'c' does not mean the Roman Catholic Church, but the universal Christian Church as a whole.


Adam Pastor said...

Greetings Michelle Shocklee

Unfortunately, this creed is not the creed of Jesus, nor of his disciples.

In contrast to the Nicene Creed:
Jesus solely identified the Father
as the only true GOD.
[John 17.3]
Paul & the early church concurred:
(1 Cor 8:4) ... that there is none other God but one.
(1 Cor 8:6) But to us there is but one God, the Father, ...

There is simply no talk of another who is God of God, true God of true God, Begotten, not made, etc.

Rather, the creed of Jesus is the Shema, Deut 6.4ff

(Mark 12:28-32) And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all? 29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is,
Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: 30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. 31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these. 32 And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he:

It ought to be obvious then, that neither Jesus nor the scribe, subscribed to the notions of
a God of God, Very God of very God spoken of in the Nicene creed!

Therefore, I recommend this video:
The Human Jesus

Take a couple of hours to watch it; and prayerfully it will aid you in your quest for truth.

Yours In Messiah
Adam Pastor

Michelle Shocklee said...

Hi Adam Pastor,

Thanks for visiting my blog and leaving your comment. I've been on your blog as well. It is clear we have very differing beliefs on who Jesus is. While I appreciate you taking time to leave the link to the video The Human Jesus, I won't be viewing it. Not only do I not have the time to spare, but it would simply be a waste of my time (no disrespect intended). In your blog you have all the scripture my belief is based on, so I won't restate them here. I know who Jesus is: God the Son. As I said to my visitor Donal over on the Jehovah's Witness post/comments, I know that I know that I know the Truth and the Truth has set me free!

My prayer for you is that God will open your eyes to the Truth. In my humble opinion, you are putting God in a very small box if you don't believe He can manifest Himself as Jesus the Son or the Holy Spirit. There is only ONE God, but I'm so thankful that He chose to come to earth as a human (Is. 7:14), take my sins on himself and defeat death so I can have life eternal!


Anonymous said...

The trinity teaches that God asked himself to go to earth to save mankind.
Then he agreed with himself and volunteered himself to himself to offer himself.
Then God impregnated a woman as himself, with himself.
God prayed to himself and glorified himself repeatedly.
God strengthened himself and talked to himself.
Finally God forsook himself and sacrificed himself to prove his
loyalty to himself.
While dead he resurrected himself so he could exalt himself above himself.
Then he sat at his own right hand and waited til he placed his enemies
as a footstool
Finally with Satan's forces defeated God would turn his kingdom over to himself
That all things would become everything to himself

Michelle Shocklee said...

Dear Anonymous,

Thanks for visiting my blog and leaving a comment.

I'm going to be honest here and I hope it doesn't hurt your feelings...but I burst out laughing when I read your comment! In fact, I'm still chuckling. I suppose if one strips down the Trinity to the most basic human understanding, you've nailed it! LOL!

But, in all seriousness, you've also totally missed it too!! You are trying to put YOUR understanding to WHO God is and that just isn't going to work.

In God's own words:

"For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways," declares the Lord. "As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, my thoughts than your thoughts." Isaiah 55:8-9

We will never think like God, so to try to fully comprehend how the Trinity works in human terms is never going to happen.

One of the most beautiful images of the Trinity is found in the very first chapter of the Bible:

"Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness..." Genesis 1:26

God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit were there at the creation of man! I can't manifest myself into anything but one person with one body. But God can, which is why He referred to himself in the plural.

I hope you will continue your study and research into who God is! I sure will!

Michelle Shocklee